Snowpeak P12 Bullpup (tuned by MrodAir).

 

The SnowPeak P12 is a Chinese-made bullpup that is imported to the U.S. by Mrodair.  It is important to note that the gun in this review is NOT a factory-stock P12.  Mrodair gave it a tune-up, as well as a few upgrades – most notably a regulator.  The price-point for a factory-stock P12 is around $500.  The price for a tuned and regulated P12 is around $750.  That puts this bullpup in “Marauder/Hatsan territory.”  So, comparing the gun to $1800 bullpups is unfair (so, I won’t do it).

  MrodAir P12 .22 Bullpup Air Rifle

P12 Bullpup left side

Barrel: The P12 comes with a Chinese-made barrel.  I know what you are thinking – Yikes!  But, let’s give the gun its fair shake before we start scrambling to replace it with a German barrel. :)  Truth is that the P12 sent to me is a pretty dang good shooter.  I can consistently get 1-inch, 10-shot groups at 50 yards.  And, if luck is on my side, I can get a 1/2-inch 5-shot group (but, I have never gotten a 1/2-inch, 10-shot group).  The most accurate pellet was the JSB 18.1 Exact.  But, from what I have read from other owners, this is not “THE” pellet for the gun.  Rather, it is much like the Marauder in that you need to try as many pellets as possible.  With some guns you know which pellet will be most accurate, long before you even shoot it (eg. FX barrels are literally made to shoot JSB pellets). 

And, while this .22 P12 also prefers the JSB 18.1 over all others, I have also seen numerous reports of this gun preferring H&N barracudas, Crosman Premiers, and others.  I have also seen reports of the gun not being able to hold accuracy with any pellets (but, to be fair those guns were factory-stock).  So, what is the bottom line?  Well, from the information I have gathered, I think your expectation should be 1-inch, 5-shot groups (or better) at 50 yards.  If you get better than that, consider yourself lucky (or skilled).  Just know that you need to temper your expectations (compared to the Kalibr Cricket, FX Bobcat, and Edgun Matador).  The P12 barrel is not in the same class as European barrels (for the price, no reasonable person would expect it to be).  But, MrodAir seems to know how to get the most out of them.

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Stock: There really isn’t a whole lot of fanfare re: this stock.  Let’s start with the fact that the action and air tube do fit securely.  The gun attaches with two screws – one near the trigger and one near the butt – so there is no fear of “wobble”.  This is a smart idea because even if the stock isn’t a perfect fit, it still clamps down solidly (this was a problem that the earlier Edgun Matador R3’s suffered from, and it was corrected in the same way).

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As far as beauty and durability…there isn’t much of either.  The wood grain is light and bland and the shape is nothing to write home about.  And, it is very easy to scratch it.  But, again, to be fair, you couldn’t have expected a top-grade piece of walnut on a factory $500 gun.  Still, I was a bit shocked when I saw this significant scratch caused by the P12 stock accidentally rubbing against the checkering on a walnut stock (a different gun).  The walnut stock showed no wear, but the P12 was left with a scar.

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My recommendation to all P12 owners would be to find a color you like, and give the stock a coat of durable paint or stray bed-liner.  

I also did not like the size of the pistol grip.  It is very small compared to all other bullpups I have shot.  And, this is coming from a guy with small hands.  This may be one of those “personal preference” things, but for me, the [undersized] grip made the trigger-pull feel somewhat congested.  I prefer a mostly extended trigger finger, gripping the “meat” of the trigger blade with the tip of my finger.  The P12 ergonomics makes me feel like my shooting hand is nearly in a fist when I pull the trigger, compared to a much flatter/wider grip on other guns.  Here is a photo comparing the pistol grip to the Edgun Matador.

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Mechanics and Trigger: Speaking of the Edgun Matador, the P12 was clearly designed by someone who had a Matador very close by. ;)  But, it isn’t an exact clone of the Matador parts (and it weighs nearly a pound more than the Matador) .  The cocking bolt and block look almost identical to a Matador.  But, the trigger, push bar, sear, shroud, and rail are all noticeably different.

Snowpeak P12 Edgun Matador compairison

The fill port is similar to the Matador, and is found in the front portion of the air cylinder, directly behind the air gauge.  The gun includes the male fill probe, needed to fill the cylinder with air.  But, unlike the Matador, the P12 has a dust cover that protects the fill port.  It is removed by unscrewing.  This is somewhat clumsy (compared to the slick, spring-loaded dust cover on the Kalibr Cricket), but it does its job well.  

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The air gauge I found to be mildly inaccurate – displaying a pressure reading that was 30-40 bar higher than the quality gauge on my carbon fiber bottle.  For reference, the gauge on my Edgun Matador, Kalibr Cricket, FX Bobcat(s), and Evanix Max all were within 5 bar of that same tank gauge.

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The shroud does its job well – reducing the noise as much as the more expensive counterparts, and it is easy to remove (to facilitate easier barrel cleaning).

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The trigger is decent (again, given the price point), but it definitely isn’t without its compromises.  While the pull weight is reasonable (at around 2 lbs), the smoothness leaves much to be desired.  It is a little “mushy”, and there is a lot of spring and metal “creaking”, like something is just not quite aligned properly.  This may very well be an easy fix.  Or, it may be completely unique to my gun.  But, it is something I noticed strait away, and my biggest hang-up on giving the trigger a full stamp of approval.  

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As for the shot string, the gun impressed me.  With the MrodAir regulator installed, the gun yielded 55 consistent shots at 30 ft/lbs of energy.  

P12 Chronograph

This is comparable to my [regulated] Matador R2.  My guess would be that without the regulator, the gun would produce “Marauder like” numbers ~ 30 usable shots (but, there have been reports of un-tuned P12’s yielding as little as 15 usable shots).  

Conclusion: I think the P12 DEFINITELY has its place in the market.  It has no equal (or competitor?) in the $500-700 bullpup price range.  I think the build quality is comparable to a Benjamin Marauder, as is the accuracy.  Personally, I would not buy this gun without a professional tune and regulator installed.  There is just way too much uncertainty for the factory-stock $500 price tag.  Better to pony up the extra $200 and get a gun that won’t send you to the loony bin trying to get the thing to meet your expectations.  

But, even with a tune, I strongly encourage buyers to try several kinds of pellets, and consider painting the stock (or invest $89 in MrodAir’s “Black Max” upgrade). For the price, I would not consider the P12 to be a home run.  But, I would say that it is definitely a ground-rule double (to you non-baseball players, that means I thinks it’s pretty good for the money).  It fits the bill for someone looking to buy a short, quiet vermin whacker, while maintaining a safe distance from that $1000+ price range.

For more reading on this gun, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND a very detailed and honest series of posts from Mr. Dave G

30 Responses to “Snowpeak P12 Bullpup (tuned by MrodAir).”

  1. Ted Ted says:

    Testing…testing…

    Good, replies seem to be working. :)

  2. James James says:

    I hope this is a good sign that the chinese manufacturers are taking steps in the right direction to be able to put out a precision rifle at a competitive price. That being said i live in jersey and spent the last month trying to get a license (5 trips to the staties) only to get a call that they screwed up and I need tp restart my application. -_- one of these days ill be able to keep the guns i own already (but cant possess) in the state that i live in.

    Good write up Ted!

    • Ted Ted says:

      I think it’s a sign that China has noticed the market, and is trying to wet their beak. But, until I see genuine innovation come from their work, they will remain a “copying” entity to me.

      • Earl of Somerset Earl of Somerset says:

        Its a shame that manufacturing in China in general goes along with what you’ve written above Ted. There are obviously well educated, qualified and inventive minds over there..shame they are likely stifled by the copy and cheapen mindset in charge of most things manufacturing :(

  3. Rocky in Waco Rocky in Waco says:

    Nice Write up and good info Ted. I like the comparisons you make to other guns. This helps us readers to feel like we have the same tactile feedback that you are experiencing.
    I am looking forward to your Cricket review. I am heading to AOA next month to check out the Bobcat and the Cricket for myself. (.25) Your insight and reviews are invaluable and greatly appreciated. Hope you enjoyed the SHOT show!

    • Ted Ted says:

      I did enjoy SHOT – much more than last year, because I was actually organized this time around. I am heading to the IWA classic in a month, and will be continuously uploading images and description to my new forum (launches March 1).

  4. Bill Salge Bill Salge says:

    Well I will know more about the P12, I just ordered one with the tune up. . Hope it will be in the 1″ at 50 yards I will be happy. . Thanks Ted for your right up. .

  5. greg wallbridge says:

    Another great review Ted. Will it be available in 12 ft/lb for us poor under powered shooters in the UK? Ps. Thanks for explaining the base ball analogy

    • Ted Ted says:

      No idea if it will be made in a 12fpe version. I’m sure it could be tuned to 11.5, but simply reducing the hammer tension would not be an adequate solution. Proper valving would be needed, and I do not know if the manufacturer has that hardware.

  6. flytelaw says:

    Ted, I have read about at least one Matador Chinese copy and a purported cylinder explosion/compromise. Can you say that this P12 appears to at least be safe?

    Cheers,
    Chris

    • Ted Ted says:

      Their stuff appears to be constructed out of solid materials. But, I am NOT an engineer, and do not purport to know the first thing about the materials needed to create high-pressure cylinders. I’ll just say that I never (NEVER) fill guns higher than the manufacturer recommendation. I know for a fact that most of these tubes and bottles are tested at 400 bar. And some of them fail. So, when someone tells me that they are filling their gun to 300 bar, it is very unnerving. I would never use a gun at 75% of the maximum tested pressure.

  7. torgo says:

    Ted, I feel lucky when it comes to the P12. Last Feb when MRodAir announced they were taking deposits, I promptly put down my $150 and waited, and waited and waited, and waited. After a bunch of unanswered emails I filled a PAYPAL complaint and got my money back. Reading your review validates that I am going to just save up for a REAL bullpup.

  8. JTB530 says:

    Where are the $500 p12’s? I see $675 for the basic rifle. $89 for the tune and the regs are not listed but if memory serves they were in the $100-125 range.

    • Ted Ted says:

      I can assure you that the P12 was never sold for $100. I can also say that I will never buy or shoot a PCP that sells for $100, because I do not believe that one could be safely manufactured for that price.

      • JPN says:

        Ted,

        JTB530 has a point. The basic price seems to be $675 at mrodair. It does not say that it comes regulated or tuned for this price.

  9. michael keith says:

    I really like the shape and look to the gun man. But my all time favorite is The FX Bobcat … one day …

  10. Earl of Somerset Earl of Somerset says:

    Attracted to the pricing (if ever available in the UK without the usual ‘double its price for the UK market cause they all stinking rich there’?!) but think i would personally prefer to stretch a little further with my money to get a number of other bullpups. It will be interesting to see if the manufacturer upgrades or enhances future versions.

    • Earl of Somerset Earl of Somerset says:

      p.s looking forward to the Evanix review. Although im now torn between Bobcat and Daystate Pulsar (if i find a buyer for mother at 2K!!)..i’m really interested to see how Evanix stack-up in general. I keep going back to look at the Evanix Sniper..its deffo a conversation starter with shooting buddies!

  11. TucsonMTB says:

    Hey, Ted! Thanks for this and all of your other great reviews. I am still deciding what my first PCP rifle will be and have not worked out the best, cost effective, way to fill whatever my limited budget will allow. Do you have any comments to share about the Mrodair HPA Hand Pump that he offers in his affordable M-10 PCP Air Rifle bundle, as well as separately for a nice price?

    Been shooting my springer a lot and would love to dive into PCP, but the cost of a pump and rifle is just about out of my modest reach.

    Thank you again, sir!

  12. Bill Salge Bill Salge says:

    Ted
    I have been using my P-12 for about a week now and
    I like it. I get 85 shots from 200 bars to 90 bars all very good shots. I have been shooting at 50-65 yards and getting groups of one inch not counting for my bad eyes and my 73 years of age.
    I did not like the blond stock so I got Iron Armor truck bed liner coating and sprayed the stock and I like a lot more now and my hand move all over.
    Well all in all I like the bullpup a lot better then my hatsan BT65SB Elite or my Benjamin Discovery and a lot better the all of my breakbarrel that I need to sell. Can not go back ones you shoot PCP. Now all I need is the new breech when Mike gets then in, the reloading all the time is getting old. . .
    Bill

  13. Chappee says:

    I love all of the reviews that you have done so far but, I was wondering if you had any knowledge of the Crosman .357 Bulldog bullpup rifle. I do know that it’s fairly new so there might not be many available for reviews. I am 6′ 3″ and 150lbs (I’m an extremely lean runner) and have almost always shot break-barrel air guns (because of the price) and I do prefer the traditional long gun style. Since I got a better job that pays better I’ve been looking around for a serious PCP air gun that is 22 caliber or larger. FX is a little outside my price range unfortunately. What would you recommend?

    • Ted Ted says:

      Crosman has plans to send me a bulldog for review. Big bore usually isn’t my thing. But, the gun did catch my interest at SHOT show. It is definitely ‘different.’ I think I can find a way to have some fun with it. :)

  14. NoahStrongchsnnstrong NoahStrongchsnnstrong says:

    wow, didn’t know it was made in china. id rather have the kalibri cricket .25

  15. sonny says:

    welcome back

  16. brwndg brwndg says:

    Hoping the Cricket review is soon

  17. shiftyk5 says:

    Hope to see some more reviews from you on the rest of those bullpups,

  18. Dave Goodall says:

    Have u not been offerd the European multi shot p12 to test ted ???? That on looks like the first generation the European p12 s very different and multi shot

  19. william bua says:

    This might get interesting!! In my line of work, I am a saxophone repair tech, the horns that were great were French, German, American and Japanese. Now, the Taiwanese and Chinese horns are catching up. When the Chinese stuff first hit the market, they were hot garbage, not anymore. It looks like the same can be said for air rifles from China. There will be a second or maybe a third generation of this gun that will be better and stay priced about where it is today, then they will go up. That’s what happened in the instrument market. They will always be less expensive than European guns, but they will go up. I’ll hold out hope that mrodair will duplicate a Daystate Huntsman classic with a clip like the Bam 51 only a repeater.

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